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		<title>By: faisalkadri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[faisalkadri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am surprised at the lack of interest in Barzani&#039;s reaction to Talbani&#039;s foot dragging regarding the NCV signatures, could he compel our valiant president to keep his word of honor? I wonder if plan A is truly dead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised at the lack of interest in Barzani&#8217;s reaction to Talbani&#8217;s foot dragging regarding the NCV signatures, could he compel our valiant president to keep his word of honor? I wonder if plan A is truly dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Vargen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Defense Committee describes lifting barriers from Parliament building as &quot;Wrong procedure&quot; 
Monday, 11 June 2012 21:33 

Source from the parliament stated that a security force has lifted the concrete barriers situated in front of the parliament building.
http://www.alliraqnews.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=12042:defense-committee-describes-lifting-barriers-from-parliament-building-as-qfalse-procedureq-&amp;catid=35:political&amp;Itemid=2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defense Committee describes lifting barriers from Parliament building as &#8220;Wrong procedure&#8221;<br />
Monday, 11 June 2012 21:33 </p>
<p>Source from the parliament stated that a security force has lifted the concrete barriers situated in front of the parliament building.<br />
<a href="http://www.alliraqnews.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=12042:defense-committee-describes-lifting-barriers-from-parliament-building-as-qfalse-procedureq-&#038;catid=35:political&#038;Itemid=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.alliraqnews.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=12042:defense-committee-describes-lifting-barriers-from-parliament-building-as-qfalse-procedureq-&#038;catid=35:political&#038;Itemid=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[all,
The istijwab has always been Plan B and it is now Plan A. There is Plan C which is in fact now Plan B.  My bags are packed but I have not shipped them yet.  Once I reach states side, i will be busy defying Bloomberg&#039;s ban on large sodas.  It is no different than Da3wa banning wine and alcohol in the green zone.  So I will be right back in my element.  Opposition.  Love it.
Peace]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all,<br />
The istijwab has always been Plan B and it is now Plan A. There is Plan C which is in fact now Plan B.  My bags are packed but I have not shipped them yet.  Once I reach states side, i will be busy defying Bloomberg&#8217;s ban on large sodas.  It is no different than Da3wa banning wine and alcohol in the green zone.  So I will be right back in my element.  Opposition.  Love it.<br />
Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mohammed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RV:

If I had to put my &#039;Observer Hat&#039; on, I would say that Observer would make the following argument: some people who would vote against Maliki would only do so if ensured that Maliki would not politically survive such a vote. So for 163 to show up, they would be taking a political risk when they know constitutionally, it means nothing. 

Putting my &#039;Expat Mo Hat&#039; back on: I agree with you RV....By the way, they need not even show up in parliament, they could all show up in Erbil and take a big group picture with a &quot;I Hate Maliki&quot; banner...

regards,
M]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RV:</p>
<p>If I had to put my &#8216;Observer Hat&#8217; on, I would say that Observer would make the following argument: some people who would vote against Maliki would only do so if ensured that Maliki would not politically survive such a vote. So for 163 to show up, they would be taking a political risk when they know constitutionally, it means nothing. </p>
<p>Putting my &#8216;Expat Mo Hat&#8217; back on: I agree with you RV&#8230;.By the way, they need not even show up in parliament, they could all show up in Erbil and take a big group picture with a &#8220;I Hate Maliki&#8221; banner&#8230;</p>
<p>regards,<br />
M</p>
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		<title>By: Reidar Visser</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I cant help wondering, instead of all the letters - yes there are reports abt a new one from Barzani to Talabani today claiming 170 signatures - why dont the Maliki critics simply show up in strength when parliament reconvenes on 21 June? Not the usual 100 or so but all 163 who intend to vote him out? Wouldn&#039;t that send a strong message?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant help wondering, instead of all the letters &#8211; yes there are reports abt a new one from Barzani to Talabani today claiming 170 signatures &#8211; why dont the Maliki critics simply show up in strength when parliament reconvenes on 21 June? Not the usual 100 or so but all 163 who intend to vote him out? Wouldn&#8217;t that send a strong message?</p>
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		<title>By: Samir Abdallah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samir Abdallah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Observer,

It is far from being over. I believe, if Maliki succeeds in surviving this episode, he will face a most difficult test in the next elections.

Maliki prepared his battle with controversial supreme court decisions that his opponents underestimate or don&#039;t give proper attention. He also used the Kirkuk dispute to try to make defections in Iraqiya. Maliki knows that these cards may help him in his battle now, but they will be a burden in the long run. But that cannot be exploited by short term strategies as is common in Iraqi politics.  

Maliki prepared to make the Istijwab more difficult (or simply looks hopeless to his challengers) by the latest court decision. However, I believe that Iraqiya should go for Istijwab. They lost enough time persuading Talabany to submit his request unsuccessfully and may lose more time, and be prepared to ensure quorum and sufficient number of deputies when voting take place. Or, if Maliki refuses Istijwab based on court decision, Iraqiya should start from now preparing legal and constitutional arguments against the court ruling using all legal and media means. In fact they should have started challenging that decision since it was announced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer,</p>
<p>It is far from being over. I believe, if Maliki succeeds in surviving this episode, he will face a most difficult test in the next elections.</p>
<p>Maliki prepared his battle with controversial supreme court decisions that his opponents underestimate or don&#8217;t give proper attention. He also used the Kirkuk dispute to try to make defections in Iraqiya. Maliki knows that these cards may help him in his battle now, but they will be a burden in the long run. But that cannot be exploited by short term strategies as is common in Iraqi politics.  </p>
<p>Maliki prepared to make the Istijwab more difficult (or simply looks hopeless to his challengers) by the latest court decision. However, I believe that Iraqiya should go for Istijwab. They lost enough time persuading Talabany to submit his request unsuccessfully and may lose more time, and be prepared to ensure quorum and sufficient number of deputies when voting take place. Or, if Maliki refuses Istijwab based on court decision, Iraqiya should start from now preparing legal and constitutional arguments against the court ruling using all legal and media means. In fact they should have started challenging that decision since it was announced.</p>
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		<title>By: Reidar Visser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reidar Visser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Placebo, for the last couple of weeks or so I have gone on record saying that I believe 150-160 is the realistic estimate for a NCV. (There&#039;s a link to a Reuters piece on this above). The math is based upon the belief that the Kurds and the Sadrists may well stay reasonably coherent (90 deputies) but there may be defections from Iraqiyya in the range of at least 20-30, leaving maybe 60. 

I am well aware that the Iraqis are not unfamiliar to the art of corruption and bribery; however I would categorically deny that all the defections from Iraqiyya recently can be attributed to this factor alone. Some has to do with the politics of disputed territories in northern Iraq; we saw exactly the same tendency in 2008 with the 22 July trend. 

The more unsavoury elements of new support for Maliki are really extra-parliamentary and do not really impact the numbers game: I am thinking of Asaib Ahl al-Haqq and other Sadrist splinters and even sympathetic members of Kataeb Hizbollah. Their support for Maliki in this struggle is clearly not a good omen, but may well be what Iran likes about how things are shaping up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Placebo, for the last couple of weeks or so I have gone on record saying that I believe 150-160 is the realistic estimate for a NCV. (There&#8217;s a link to a Reuters piece on this above). The math is based upon the belief that the Kurds and the Sadrists may well stay reasonably coherent (90 deputies) but there may be defections from Iraqiyya in the range of at least 20-30, leaving maybe 60. </p>
<p>I am well aware that the Iraqis are not unfamiliar to the art of corruption and bribery; however I would categorically deny that all the defections from Iraqiyya recently can be attributed to this factor alone. Some has to do with the politics of disputed territories in northern Iraq; we saw exactly the same tendency in 2008 with the 22 July trend. </p>
<p>The more unsavoury elements of new support for Maliki are really extra-parliamentary and do not really impact the numbers game: I am thinking of Asaib Ahl al-Haqq and other Sadrist splinters and even sympathetic members of Kataeb Hizbollah. Their support for Maliki in this struggle is clearly not a good omen, but may well be what Iran likes about how things are shaping up.</p>
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		<title>By: placebo12</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Santana - I appreciate your comments. However, there are a number of such Iraqis out there who are either unaware of this blog or simply following and not commenting. The worse the situation becomes in Iraq the more I would expect these guys to raise their voices - perhaps even &#039;apologists&#039; à la Mohammed may have their consciences rattled (and give me decent answers to our debate...:p).

P.S. Something I raised in my very first couple of posts here - in our obsession with Maliki vs. Iraqiya (unequal though that fight is), we &#039;educated&#039; Iraqis are losing serious sight of how all this is affecting the long-term future of the country. A simple logical projection on all fronts (economic, environmental, societal) demonstrates a very very poor future for the country. Beyond all the BS we&#039;re being fed about &quot;improvements&quot; in the oil sector, there really is nothing to be hopeful about IMO. However, I wouldn&#039;t want to attract Reidar&#039;s ire here, let&#039;s leave all that to a separate discussion!

Btw Reidar - correct me if I&#039;m wrong but you appeared to be implicitly sceptical of the numbers throughout the NCV game. However, assuming the rough calculations reported above are correct there is clearly a sufficient number of deputies &quot;flirting&quot; with the NCV to make it a realistic possibility. Moreover, the actions of Maliki and allies both prior (supreme court decisions) and during this saga demonstrated their fear of this. I know you wouldn&#039;t want to get drawn into a discussion around the effectiveness of underhand &quot;payments&quot;, but do you seriously believe that the relevant deputies who dropped-out of the NCV at the last minute did so out of love for Maliki&#039;s policies? If you do, I would tell you that you are giving FAR too much credit to Iraqi politicians. Money and fear are the order of the day, no amount of political analysis will help you get to the bottom of that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Santana &#8211; I appreciate your comments. However, there are a number of such Iraqis out there who are either unaware of this blog or simply following and not commenting. The worse the situation becomes in Iraq the more I would expect these guys to raise their voices &#8211; perhaps even &#8216;apologists&#8217; à la Mohammed may have their consciences rattled (and give me decent answers to our debate&#8230;:p).</p>
<p>P.S. Something I raised in my very first couple of posts here &#8211; in our obsession with Maliki vs. Iraqiya (unequal though that fight is), we &#8216;educated&#8217; Iraqis are losing serious sight of how all this is affecting the long-term future of the country. A simple logical projection on all fronts (economic, environmental, societal) demonstrates a very very poor future for the country. Beyond all the BS we&#8217;re being fed about &#8220;improvements&#8221; in the oil sector, there really is nothing to be hopeful about IMO. However, I wouldn&#8217;t want to attract Reidar&#8217;s ire here, let&#8217;s leave all that to a separate discussion!</p>
<p>Btw Reidar &#8211; correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but you appeared to be implicitly sceptical of the numbers throughout the NCV game. However, assuming the rough calculations reported above are correct there is clearly a sufficient number of deputies &#8220;flirting&#8221; with the NCV to make it a realistic possibility. Moreover, the actions of Maliki and allies both prior (supreme court decisions) and during this saga demonstrated their fear of this. I know you wouldn&#8217;t want to get drawn into a discussion around the effectiveness of underhand &#8220;payments&#8221;, but do you seriously believe that the relevant deputies who dropped-out of the NCV at the last minute did so out of love for Maliki&#8217;s policies? If you do, I would tell you that you are giving FAR too much credit to Iraqi politicians. Money and fear are the order of the day, no amount of political analysis will help you get to the bottom of that.</p>
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		<title>By: faisalkadri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[faisalkadri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bb,
Unworkable parliament serves the purpose of Maliki-Talbani and Iran.
My angle on Talbani&#039;s tactics is in blog entry titled &lt;a href=&quot;http://montrealiraqi.com/?p=605&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Octopus Maneuver.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bb,<br />
Unworkable parliament serves the purpose of Maliki-Talbani and Iran.<br />
My angle on Talbani&#8217;s tactics is in blog entry titled <a href="http://montrealiraqi.com/?p=605" rel="nofollow">Octopus Maneuver.</a></p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeh Mo,
I have always told you that I have an exist strategy unlike the 25 million poor souls whom you want to live in iraq under Wiliat al Faqeeh while you enjoy the good life.  Well, i am out to go back and enjoy the good life.  By the time you and your fellow think tankers and ivory tower academics find out that you were wrong, it will be too late..  But too late for whom..  not for you guys.  It would be too late for the poor souls living under the new Baath Party...
Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh Mo,<br />
I have always told you that I have an exist strategy unlike the 25 million poor souls whom you want to live in iraq under Wiliat al Faqeeh while you enjoy the good life.  Well, i am out to go back and enjoy the good life.  By the time you and your fellow think tankers and ivory tower academics find out that you were wrong, it will be too late..  But too late for whom..  not for you guys.  It would be too late for the poor souls living under the new Baath Party&#8230;<br />
Cheers</p>
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