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The Election Law Is Passed: Open Lists, Kirkuk Recognised as a Governorate with “Dubious” Registers

Posted by Reidar Visser on Sunday, 8 November 2009 22:06

With 141 votes out of the total of 195 deputies that were present, the Iraqi parliament finally passed a revision of the 2005 election law this evening around 8 PM in Baghdad. The session was not without drama and at one point was about to derail because of a dispute about whether the five minority seats for Christians should be considered as a single constituency or five different ones! However, despite this, as well as attempt by pro-Kurdish representatives among the Shabak and Yazidis to increase their quotas in the last minute (in the former case against the wishes of other, anti-Kurdish Shabak), each of the amendments was voted on, followed by a separate vote for the whole package.

The broad outline of the revised law has already been known for a long time and contained few surprises as such: Open lists, governorate-level constituencies and minority seats for Christians (5), Sabaeans (1), Yazidis (1) and Shabak (1). In other respects, most features of the 2005 law (including the procedures for allocating compensatory seats, which this time make up 5%) are kept in place. However, two sections of last year’s campaigning rules, including the indirect ban on the use of images of (non-candidate) religious leaders, have been included in the revised law for the parliamentary elections through the insertion of a brief reference to the 2008 provincial election law. The law does not specify the exact number of representatives and only says it will follow the constitutional quota according to the latest official statistics (there is no updated census); however it is generally expected that there will be an increase of seats from 275 to around 310. Voting for internally displaced will be based on residence according to the ration-card registers (meaning some will vote where they have sought refuge which is potentially controversial) and for exiles it will be at Iraqi embassies abroad according to procedures established by the Iraqi election commission.

The controversy for the three past weeks has focused on how to hold elections in Kirkuk, where the non-Kurdish population complains that the electoral registers have been tampered with by the Kurdish-dominated local government in the period from 2004 until now, with the aim of securing a Kurdish victory in any future referendum about the inclusion of the city in the Kurdistan federal region. For this reason, Arabs and Turkmens in Kirkuk as well as Iraqi nationalists from all parts of the Iraq have been eager to secure special arrangements that would ensure extra scrutiny in the electoral process in Kirkuk; the Kurds, for their part, have been equally adamant that any special status for Kirkuk would be anathema for them and that they would not support any law that mentioned the word “Kirkuk”.

What was agreed in the end is a compromise that gives something to each side. Kirkuk is indeed mentioned in the bill several times, as an area whose electoral registers are recognised as being “dubious” and therefore should be subject to extra scrutiny in a one-year investigation after the elections, with a possibility of modifying the results. As a result of Kurdish insistence, that kind of arrangement is also enabled for any other governorate whose registers are deemed dubious (and the Kurds will probably try to nominate several other governorates for this status); however Kirkuk is the only such explicitly recognised governorate in the law – which therefore in some ways preserves the “special status” that the Kurds fought against. If any other governorate is to be treated on par with Kirkuk it would need to be demonstrated that it has experienced an annual population growth of more than 5 per cent, and each case must be approved by a simple majority in the Iraqi parliament after a request by more than 50 deputies.

At the same time, this is a highly symbolic and therefore weak kind of special status. Most crucially, the entire reasoning that the initial election result in Kirkuk can be decoupled from the broader debate about Kirkuk’s future is faulty. The future disposal of Kirkuk is likely to be settled by the next parliament whose job it will be to fulfil the promise of a one-off revision of the 2005 constitution; the composition of the next constitutional committee, in turn, may well be influenced by the composition of the parliamentary delegation from Kirkuk. Those seeking to dismiss the significance of the Kirkuk issue in the context of the election law portray it as a “a matter of a couple of seats only”, but the truth is that it does matter whether Kirkuk returns a contingent of deputies broadly supportive of the Kurdish position or whether it includes several representatives with an Iraqi nationalist orientation. Not least because of its expected centrality in the constitutional revision process, there will be a particular focus on how Kirkuk is represented in the next committee charged with handling this issue.

Additionally, in the final version of the bill the process of scrutiny seems first and foremost focused on establishing the correct number of representatives for the governorate, apparently reclassifying any undue “surplus” representatives as “national” ones (although various drafts and press reports differ on this). This leaves the focus on the only other “hard” implication of the arrangements: “That the result should not form the basis of any future electoral process or serve as precedent for any political status before the conclusion of the investigation of the registers.” Which in turn means that the 2010 results cannot be used in an argument about Kirkuk’s future. But in addition to misrepresenting what is actually going to happen (confer the political impact of the deputies that obtain representation next January and will sit for at least one year), this stipulation also ignores the fact that the fate of Kirkuk will be decided either by article 140 of the constitution (which demands a new census, thus making the election result entirely irrelevant), or, alternatively, whatever other solution the next constitutional review committee may manage to come up with.

The parliamentary developments that enabled the Kirkuk compromise to emerge apparently started with rapprochement between the Kurds and those non-Kurdish parties in the assembly that do not seem to worry too much about what happens to Kirkuk: Above all the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI) and the Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP), but more recently also the Sadrists and apparently even Maliki’s State of Law coalition. The Sadrists used to be quite nationalist about Kirkuk, as did Maliki’s party, but yesterday Dafir al-Ani complained that the Daawa had been among the strongest forces in calling for an immediate vote. In a move somewhat reminiscent of the old Kurdish–Shiite–IIP alliance, those groups prepared a revised draft of the law which included the Kurdish demand for other governorates as potential and theoretical candidates for additional scrutiny, and the compensatory seats earlier promised for Arabs and Turkmens were unceremoniously dropped. Baha al-Aaraji, the Sadrist head of the legal committee in the parliament, tried to gather enough deputies for a quick vote before other parliamentarians had had the time to acquaint themselves with the new proposals. In another possible echo of the past, Aaraji also quoted support for Iraqiyya in hammering out the latest proposal; whether this is in fact correct remains unclear (some Iraqiyya deputies have criticised the proposals on Kirkuk from a nationalist point of view), but if true it reflects more or less the same (and rather surprising) constellation that in April enabled the current speaker of parliament Ayad al-Samarraie to replace Mahmud al-Mashhadani who was ousted a year ago (Samarraie mysteriously decamped to Qatar for an official visit only hours before the vote!) Mashhadani was of course a central figure in the nationalist 22 July movement, whose crime it was to care too much about Kirkuk.

Of particular interest, and concern, are the international roles in the settlement of all of this. Without any Iraqi protest being heard, international diplomats and other representatives have been in and out of the Iraqi parliament for the last few weeks, with different degrees of success. To some extent the Americans succeeded in using their influence with the Kurds to change Arbil’s position, and they also seem to have put pressure on (and demanded greater neutrality from) UNAMI, whose early proposals for unclear reasons were more or less identical to the Kurdish ones. However, the US never pushed particularly hard. Into that vacuum was apparently allowed ambassadors representing other countries, including Turkey, Iran and the UK. Frankly, if “multilateralism” and “regionalisation” in Iraq means that the Obama administration is happy to see Iranian and Turkish diplomats and agents crawling all over the place, creating some kind of Turkish–Kurdish–Iranian grand bargain over Kirkuk while Washington jumps into the back seat in its eagerness to secure smooth surfaces as it withdraws, then this is probably not a good sign for those who care about Iraqi territorial integrity. Right now it just does not seem as if the United States fully appreciates the wider regional ramifications – both in terms of stability of the state system in the Gulf and the creation of fertile soil for violent protest movements – of a failure to stand up for Kirkuk as a multi-ethnic, Iraqi city. If the Obama administration is sincere in its commitment to “non-condescending dialogue” with the Arab and Islamic worlds, it is precisely issues like Kirkuk that need to be better understood.

It is an worrying symptom of the degree of external influence in this process that one element of the new law has apparently been lifted almost verbatim from the statement by Ambassador Christopher Hill and General Ray Odierno last week to the effect that “the rules, procedures, and decisions adopted for the January elections should apply only to that election. They should not serve as precedents for future elections or for future political settlements.” The Iraqi version is more logical in that it at least makes it clear that it is “the results” that will not serve as precedents – no one was thinking of using the election law for directly deciding Kirkuk’s future anyway – but one does get the impression that the text may have originated in American circles. Also Hill’s comment today that the “elections law should not be used to solve the Kirkuk question”, a thinly camouflaged appeal to those asking for a special status, seems to reflect a misunderstanding of the Iraqi nationalist position. The nationalists never intended to “solve” the Kirkuk issue in this way; rather to them this is about holding elections in an area where large segments of the population deem the election registers to be fraudulent and where the subsequent election results in turn may have an impact on the way Kirkuk will be dealt with in the future. The combination of allegations of fraudulent registers and an ongoing attempt by those accused of orchestrating the fraud at changing the political status of the area does make Kirkuk into a unique case.

Two other entities heavily involved in the settlement of the election law – and now severely tainted by their partiality during that process – are the Iraqi elections commission (IHEC) and the UN agency in Iraq, UNAMI. Had it not been for a little bit of American pressure, it seems both of these factions would have remained entirely on the Kurdish side in the dispute. With regard to the IHEC, its sudden discovery last week of the “loss” of the 2004 registers for Kirkuk (which had been part of the debate over an election law as a compromise solution even before the summer), as well as its rather strained series of arguments that those registers could not be used “even if they were found” are scandalous enough to raise doubts about its ability to do any more business in the Tamim governorate in a neutral fashion. For its part, UNAMI reportedly at one point proposed a compensatory seat for the Kurds in Mosul despite the fact that the Kurdish representation there has never been threatened – another indication that it may not fully comprehend the unique political dynamic of what is going on in Kirkuk.

On the balance, then, despite its many weaknesses as well as the unimpressive numbers (141 out of 275 members in total), it is probably a good thing that this bill passed after all. The open list is unequivocally a step forward for Iraqi democracy and it is a relief that the biggest parties who used to prefer the closed list in the past are now on board with the new system – though one cannot help wondering whether the rather sudden upsurge of speculation about a (re-)unified Shiite list following the visit by Iran’s Ali Larijani may have sweetened the pill considerably for some of these forces, since the prospect of a unified Shiite list would also mean almost unrestricted control by these groups and their allies over the IHEC. Also, Kirkuk is kept on the agenda, maybe in only a symbolic way, but Iraqi voters will have seen which parties are serious about keeping the city Iraqi and which ones are not so interested, and this will make it easier for them to make their choice in a contest where deafening shouts of unspecified dreams of “national unity” abound. As for the prospect of a presidential veto either by Jalal Talabani (because of the special status for Kirkuk) or Tariq al-Hashemi (because the guarantees for Kirkuk may be seen as insufficient), another president – Barack Obama – seemed to try to shoot that possibility down even before the ink on the new amendments had dried: Hours later he declared the new law a “milestone” whose early adoption by the presidency council he looked forward to (10 days is the legal maximum according to the Iraqi constitution).

Alas, to Iraqis, the focus on the election deadlines and getting the formalities right will be a reminder of the same “muddle-through” approach that was seen in Afghanistan recently, where the antics around Abdallah Abdallah’s acceptance of a second round was promptly construed by the Americans as immediately having bestowed full legitimacy on the process. Possibly the hopes and expectations about real change are greater among Iraqis than in Washington with regard to these next elections.

33 Responses to “The Election Law Is Passed: Open Lists, Kirkuk Recognised as a Governorate with “Dubious” Registers”

  1. Brent said

    Can you please clarify this for me please?
    “but Iraqi voters will have seen which parties are serious about keeping the city Iraqi and which ones are not so interested”

  2. Reidar Visser said

    Am still in the process of adding links to the article. Here’s the reference:

    They Don’t Give a Damn about Kirkuk… But They Don’t Want to Vote Either!

  3. Pushdaree said

    I echo Brent’s comment. The author is implying that Kurds of Iraq are not Iraqi.

  4. Reidar Visser said

    Pushdaree, no that is not what is being said. “Iraqi” in this context simply means a perpetuation of Kirkuk’s links with the central government in Baghdad and thereby its continued role as a symbol of Iraq unity and coexistence – this reflects standard Iraqi usage, i.e. defending the Iraqiness (iraqiyya) of Kirkuk. Iraqis say this is about the Iraqiness versus the Kurdistani-ness of Kirkuk.

    At any rate, were Kirkuk to ever be fully annexed by the Kurdish regional government I think the most likely scenario would be an immediate unilateral secession by the rest of Iraq from the three Kurdish governorates (not least in order to end the oil subsidies) and quite possibly a long war over Kirkuk. Certainly that prospect would seem likely if the central government is one that remains in touch with popular sentiment in the rest of Iraq.

  5. bb said

    Marc Lynch is saying that the law “reportedly” provides for a “multiple district system” as “favored by most American analysts.” What is this about, and is it true?

  6. Reidar Visser said

    It simply means governorate-level constituencies (18 in total) instead of a single electoral constituency. The idea was applauded by many US commentators when it was first introduced in Dec 2005, primarily because it establishes closer ties between deputies and electorate.

  7. bb said

    Thanks for the reassurance. From what Prof Lynch wrote one was led to believe the iraqis might have ageed to splitting up the governorates into multi districts.

    Of course, such a course would be attractive to Americans because it is more like their system – they are accustomed to multi districts and the gerrymanders that result and, being very Amerio-centric the customary gerrymanders are just a natural way of political life and balanced by other factors.

    So for a moment I was worried. But Prof Lynch has not really ever displayed much interest in Iraq apart from prosecuting the standard anti invasion/pro Sunni/arab baath-as-victims line so its not surprising he got this wrong.

    Disappointing imo, because Prof Lynch unusually for a yank academic, speaks/reads Arabic and wrote a very good book about the rise of Arab democracy movement symbolised by Al Jazeera and the new Arab media. But he has shown no interest in commenting into the detail of the Iraqi shia empowerment post 2003 and its implications for the democracy movements in the wider arab world. And once Iraq ceased to become an anti-Bush issue he more or less let it go, as did virtually all the other once-prominent anti-Bush blogs of that period.

  8. Reidar Visser said

    Bb, Marc did not get it wrong, he is just using different words to describe the same reality. Also it is unfair of you to describe him as “uninterested” in Iraqi affairs since he follows the situation there closely and has contributed many thoughtful commentaries on the subject, not least on how all of this correlates with the US policy debate.

  9. Ari said

    Felicitations for the GOOD news!!!

    I am very happy with the good news.

  10. bb said

    Well,the way Marc put it, it was though it were something new “The law reportedly features the “open list” and multiple district system favored by most American analysts.” Reidar, the only western bloggers who bother with Iraq political developments are yourself and Nibras Kazimi, and I don’t think its co-incidental that both of you are extremely knowledgeable about Iraqi shia politics and history.

    On the new elections law: the most telling factor was the dumping of allocating seats, even as a symbolic gesture? In the end three-fourths of the COR, in a broad cross party vote, came down against creating a precedent for discriminating against an individual governorate or party/s and underlined this by applying the same “dubious voter registers” rule to everybody, not just the Kurds. Must say it wasn’t an outcome I was expecting as it seemed anti-Kurd sentiment ran much higher.

    What was also impressive -on the face of it – was the amount of time and attention the Iraqis gave to examining all the arguments, options and compromise proposals until a broad and decisive consensus was reached. It took a long time – but not as long as Obama’s healthcare reform is taking going through Congress!

  11. Reidar Visser said

    Bb, that will have to be 51% (141 of 275): I think at least some of the absenteeism was caused by disillusion with the process. The growing anti-Kurdish sentiment you refer to is certainly real, some of it getting rather ugly, but is more in evidence outside parliament. Remember that what we are seeing these days in many ways are the last gasps of a parliament that was elected in a very different political climate back in 2005. Both Sadrists and Daawa are certain to face challenges in their own constituencies for not having secured more robust guarantees for Kirkuk. That said, both sides found something in the deal of symbolic value and are now doing their best to sell it to their supporters.

  12. bb said

    Blimey … would have thought 195 out of 275 was a v good turnout for the COR, possibly even an all time record?! Don’t half of them spend most of their time swanning around out of the country….

  13. Zahra said

    Passing an election law is only the first step. Iraq is cursed by its corrupt leadership! The only way for things to get better there is to elect a new leadership with the track record of standing up to Iran and fighting corruption. I’ve been following Ayad Jamal Aldin’s campaign and he gives me hope that Iraq will finally become stable and that we can finally bring our troops home!

  14. Alexno said

    Reidar, I was interested in your remark:

    The growing anti-Kurdish sentiment you refer to is certainly real, some of it getting rather ugly, but is more in evidence outside parliament.

    Any chance of expanding on that?

    Maliki has been quite anti-Kurdish. So I was surprised that the parliament seems to have folded on the Kirkuk issue. There’s a contradiction here. Maliki’s support is increasingly anti-Kurdish, if I understand correctly. Yet Maliki was not willing to fight to the end on the issue. Although he depended on his support base to fight Bush on the SOFA, and won. There’s something here that I don’t understand.

  15. Brent said

    Thanks for the clarification Reidar. Can anybody tell me if the deadline has passed for forming coalitons or has it been extended again?
    If it has passed what would the next govt possibly look like hypothetically speaking. And how well would it function compared to the present one?
    Reidar what do you make of Masoud Barzani comments today?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLA726993

  16. Reidar Visser said

    Alex, my sense is that some of the Daawa base still remains rather anti-Kurdish. What I was referring to were newspapers and websites close to Maliki publishing various anti-Kurdish slander whose relevance to the political process is not always clear (for example the story that Talabani’s son is married to an American of Jewish origins whose family supposedly has ties to the Israel lobby etc.) Some of Maliki’s detractors claim he has recently cut a tactical deal with the Kurds in order to protect his deputy speaker in parliament, Khalid al-Atiyya (who lately has been under pressure to resign, mainly from the anti-Maliki faction of the old UIA). It is however unclear how viable this is, since another of Maliki’s allies, the oil minister, is still engaged in a very polarising conflict with the Kurds about control of the oil sector. The Sadrists, too, have previously mobilised strongly on central government control over Kirkuk.

    Brent, the deadline for coalitions (and candidates) was extended again today, reportedly until 16 November. As for Barzani’s statement, the first part relates to what we already know, i.e. the foreign oil companies in Kurdistan are selling their oil at the local market (and thereby earn a lot less than they would have gained from exports) pending a political solution on the validity of the foreign contracts. (Exports started a few months again, but since Baghdad does not recognise the contracts of the foreign oil companies, it collected all the money and redistributed a 17% share to Kurdistan whereas the foreign companies got nothing.) The second part of the report sounds potentially more radical, since it would apparently imply taking control of the export itself – hitherto an exclusive SOMO preserve – and as such would be seen as a red flag by Baghdad, where it had been hoped that Barham Salih would usher in a period of more moderate Kurdish policies. Note, however, that there is not a direct quote in the report for this, and that the quote itself speaks about accounting arrangements while keeping the overall Kurdistan quota at 17% of Iraq’s total revenues (with the quota apparently recognised as such). As far as I can see, the comment that “the income would not be shared” is the journalist’s interpretation. Anyway, at a pro-KDP website there is a different statement today which instead is highlighting among other things the potential income from oil industry by-products: http://www.peyamner.com/details.aspx?l=2&id=151363

  17. Alexno said

    All this reminds me of a remark that a (Shi’a) Iraqi student of mine made a couple of years ago (in a 2006 context), that he didn’t much care whether the Kurds took Kirkuk, as the oil production was little (10%) compared with the south. Perhaps it is this thought that is affecting the parliament.

  18. Pushdaree said

    “Pushdaree, no that is not what is being said. “Iraqi” in this context simply means a perpetuation of Kirkuk’s links with the central government in Baghdad and thereby its continued role as a symbol of Iraq unity and coexistence – this reflects standard Iraqi usage, i.e. defending the Iraqiness (iraqiyya) of Kirkuk. Iraqis say this is about the Iraqiness versus the Kurdistani-ness of Kirkuk.”

    If you ask any of so called Iraqi nationalist, is Erbil,Dohok or Sulaimanyieh “iraqiyya” he/she would say yes, it is. So your argument makes no sense. The code word “iraqiyya” when it comes to Kirkuk refer to control of the city by 3rabs. May I remind you that wellayate Mousel had Kurdish majority prior to the creation of now-day Iraq.

    As to your assertion that once Kurds “annex” Kirkuk, rest of Iraq will separate from KRG, you obviously lack the knowledge of the Kurdish short to midterm policy. Kirkuk is important to the Kurds because that is the place where Iraqi Kingdom commenced to implement demographic engineering of the Iraq in order to make it a real state. And as consequence of such policy which evolved to ethnic cleansing, Iraq is now divided. There will not be a war for Kirkuk as soon as the sunnie 3rabs find out that there is no more oil left to extract form the area. Shi’its 3rabs are more interested in securing fresh water than Kirkuk’s oil.

  19. Salah said

    The only way for things to get better there is to elect a new leadership

    Sarah, is there any possibility Iraqis can get a new faces? who is in control of selecting (allowing) new faces to stand up?

    What about the threats by assassinations/ killing by militia parties.

    I’ve been following Ayad Jamal Aldin’s campaign and he gives me hope

    I don’t see that although this guy panting himself liberal but let not forgot he also Iran’s lover/ midwife.
    Sarah keep in mind, Mullahs have very well spoken tongs

  20. Reidar Visser said

    Pushdaree, I am simply reflecting terms that are being used in a debate in Iraq. I did a study on Iraqi attitudes to federalism back in 2004 as expressed in the local press, and found that the idea of full Kurdish autonomy in the three governorates was generally well accepted. As for the historical argument and the Mosul vilayet, please note that its 1914 configuration was just 30 years old, that its population was mixed, of course with a large Kurdish element. More importantly in this context, the city of Kirkuk’s connections historically were with the plains and Baghdad, as explained here: https://gulfanalysis.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/the-elections-law-who-will-stand-up-for-kirkuk/#comments (Please note that there are 40 comments there and as indicated only genuinely new arguments based on well-documented information are entertained on this topic!) In brief, if we look at the past five centuries or so, my impression is that it seems to be really hard to find a convincing historical argument for the inclusion of Kirkuk in Kurdistan, which leaves us with the ethno-racial argument based on the growing demographic presence of Kurds in the last part of the twentieth century.

    Alex, you will see that the argument of your student dovetails with that of Pushdaree above concerning water, but I nevertheless get the impression that due to the historical ties, Iraqis generally (excepting the now rather unrepresentative 2005 parliament) feel a much stronger attachment to Kirkuk than to Kurdistan. As for the water issues, I’m certainly not an expert on matters of hydrogeology, but it strikes me as plausible that in the long run the water will have to go somewhere anyway (otherwise Kurdistan would get pretty wet) and this brings us back to the standard argument that in a long-time perspective it would probably be prudent of the Kurds to pursue policies that emphasise cooperation and not conflict with all its neighbours both north and south, something which in turn would also make it easier for Kurdistan to prosper from the oil in the region.

  21. bb said

    Surely, Kurdistan has been able to develop the oilfields in al-Tamim because it was not nearly as affected by the sunni-arab-led insurgency sabotage as the southern oilfields were? Reason being, Kurdistan policy and the effectiveness in those days of the Pershmerga in keeping insurgency out of the areas tasked to them.

    The chief issue for development of oilfields in Iraq – as it is anywhere in the world – is, and will always be, the security for the workers and oil company personnel ergo: security of supply. Otherwise they put their investment somewhere safer.

  22. Reidar Visser said

    Bb, there are several issues here. Firstly, the Kirkuk oilfields are managed not by the Kurds but by the Northern Oil Company (NOC) which is controlled by the oil ministry in Baghdad. This is because Kirkuk is an “existing” field and therefore within the domain of the central government as per the constitution (and also because Kirkuk is not part of Kurdistan as per the TAL definition of 2004). The oilfields that are administered by the Kurds themselves are mainly in the Dahuk and Arbil governorates.

    Second, where did you get those statistics on attacks from? The main problem in the south has been a failure to improve the technical infrastructure, which is an issue between the Southern Oil Company (SOC) and the oil ministry.

    Thirdly, please remember the scale involved here. The south produces more than 1,5 million barrels per day whereas the Kurdistan fields last summer reported exports of around 40,000 to 60,000 bpd before they stopped exporting.

  23. Joel Wing said

    bb said:

    “Reidar, the only western bloggers who bother with Iraq political developments are yourself and Nibras Kazimi,”

    Cough COUGH! Uh there are a few others out there. 1st Kazimi said he’s probably going to stop blogging soon and hasn’t posted anything new for quite a few weeks now.

    My site:

    http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/

    Tries to keep up with everything Iraqi.

    There’s also Iraqi Mojo:

    http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/

    And the Majlis, who although is more about the entire Middle East does its fair share of posts about Iraqi politics as well:

    http://www.themajlis.org/

  24. Salah said

    Joel Wing

    More like other neocon who see from his comfort that US doing a noble job in Iraq with complete denials any US fiddling in Iraqi politics with her proxy gangs

    Iraqi Mojo:
    He looks more Iranian heart and mind calling himself Iraqi borne living in US…..

  25. bb said

    R – as to the first issue, I did indeed misread the Reuters report and your follow up comment. Realise now it was referring to the Taq Taq oilfield near Erbil.

    However my point remains the same: the oilfields in non Kurdish Iraq have not been able to be developed because of the security situation caused by the insurgency’s multi year successful operations blowing up the oil pipelines and then continually sabotaging any attempts at repair. Along with coercing, intimidating or killing Iraqi security guards attempting to protect them. Ditto the electricity and rail infrastructure. The endeavours and effectiveness of the insurgency in this regard have been well documented in countless books on the war. As for statistics, the best I can do is cite the Brookings Iraq Index which demonstrates that oil production and export have only reached or exceeded pre April 2003 levels this year – 6 years later.

    In addition the Iraq Oil Ministry has still not been able to get oil legislation passed through the COR. In contrast because their area was secure and free of insurgency, the Kurds signed PSA agreements for Taq Taq as long ago as 2005, I believe?.

    Joel! What a terrible thing to forget Motown’s Musings! Which is simply the best Iraq research source website for westerners going. My apols.

    Nibras is going to be a loss, but it appears the Arab media is much more interested in his proudly-held neo con democracy message than it used to be. Not surprising he wants to concentrate on spreading the word to his fellow Aras. But how things have changed since 2007.

  26. Reidar Visser said

    BB, firstly, I’m still curious as to exactly when the latest severe disruption to oil export from the south took place as a result of the insurgency? Also, the main reason there is no oil law is that the Kurds insist on the right for regional governments to cut deals with foreign companies, such as those signed in 2004 in a constitutional vacuum. The reason it took longer to bring in foreign companies in the south is, firstly, that the central government has a slightly better understanding of popular sentiment in the country and knows that lucrative PSAs of the kind awarded to foreign companies (and Peter Galbraith) in Kurdistan would never have a chance of passing in the Iraqi parliament and more generally would cause loud protest across the country. Secondly, the major oil companies have a sufficiently acute understanding of this fact as well as of the hydrocarbon map of Iraq to realise that the truly big money is in the south (it is only smaller oil companies that are involved in the north).

  27. bb said

    When was the last time? The damage done to the infrastructure was not going to be fixed miraculously overnight! Iraq has only been been able to demonstrate security for oil companies since Maliki finally brought the mahdis under control in 2008 – ie about 15 months ago. As a result oil contracts are finally being signed. But because they were free of insurgency the Kurds have had a four year head start.

    Am curious it is the Kurds who are to blame for the failure to pass the oil law? I thought they only had 58 votes in the COR? It wasn’t the Kurds demand for regional rights that got the vast majority of coverage in the controversy over the oil laws – it was the proposal for PSAs. The Kurds had no qualms about PSAs, as you say, and that’s why Taq Taq is coming online today.

    But if the northern oilfields are small potatoes, what on earth is the fuss about?

  28. Salah said

    Arab media is much more interested in his proudly-held neo con democracy message than it used to be.

    Hummm really bb….

    It’s very interesting some for self-serving convenience put blames on others for their behaviours just like what you do and others.

    From when and where you see ARAB interested in his proudly-held neo con democracy, you can call it democracy its not that US favour tailored politics called “ democracy” serving their goals, its all fake and failures…

    Its not a democracy bb, which type of democracy that building constitutions of ethnics, religious and minorities dividends while stating all people equal under the law no matter of their colour and religion or ethnics?

    Are African-Americans having quota in their senators’ sets or Congress sets or stating specifically in the US constitution?

    Is this in your Ausi constitution bb?
    Are Australian Aborigines having their set in your parliament bb? Why?

    There is an Iraqi proverb stating:

    أكعــد اعــوج واحجــي عــدل

    Go figure what it means to people like you or Motown’s Musings and others!.

  29. Reidar Visser said

    Bb, we are straying from the original subject of the post here, but, briefly, the primary reason the govt was slower to bring in IOCs in the south was that most Iraqis think there is a need for careful planning and finding the right balance between Iraqi and external forces before flooding the country with foreign investors. You may criticise the oil ministry for having failed in its initial attempt at ramping up production, but it was a legitimate attempt at least at putting Iraqis in the lead. They also wanted to approve a legal framework. As you know, no bill gets out of the government before it is approved by consensus and accordingly the Kurdish proportion of MPs doesn’t mean anything in the context of the Maliki government and the current parliamentary cycle since we are talking about a hyper-consensual democracy with checks and what is supposed to be balances everywhere, including in the cabinet and again in the presidency council just to be on the safe side.

  30. bb said

    R – imo Mr oil minister has earned his salary getting contracts signed at all.

    Of course, have no problems whatever with the Iraqi parliament taking as long as it takes to get a consensus on an issue it deems as controversial (providing the speaker is not permitting ambushes like secret ballots and the like). What would I know about PSAs?

    We HAVE strayed from your original subject, but it has been an interesting byway. The thing is, imo, it shouldn’t be treated as polemical simply to state that the Kurds got their oil development going in 2005 because they didn’t have an insurgency/security issue or the lawlessness that existed on the south until mid 2008. And also that the Iraqi parliament’s not reaching consensus on oil legislation probably delayed it further – but my goodness, how much more injurious than that would be a railroading winner-take-all?

  31. bb said

    Salah …

    Australian democracy was established as federation of 6 states in 1901. These 6 six states ceded very circumscribed powers to the central government, (like the Iraq constitution) and retained most powers for themselves (again, like the Iraq constituion). Even with this circumscription on central power, the six states further insisted there be an Upper House called the Senate, based on equal nos from each state, that would have the power to bring down the govt in the HOR (your COR) by denying Supply – ie the government’s Budget – which cuts off the govt’s money and forces it to an electopn.

    Also, our Senate is elected by proportinal representation, like Iraq, which gives a chance of represntation to minority communities here like our aboriginals.

    On the other hand, our House of Representivess (the same status as your COR) is not elected by proportional representation as Iraq’s adopted system. but districts, which notoriously have been gerrymandered in Oz politial history.

    Mitigating against this, we do have a system called “preferential voting”, unusual in other democracies, wich basically means every voter can list who they would prefer if their first choice doesn’t get a majority, which means a candidate who doesn’t get 50% of the vote can only win after the distribution of the voters 2nd, 3rd and so on prefences. So it is a kind of PR in a uniquely Australian way.

    We also make voting compulsory not voluntary, which is also pretty much unique in the world.

    It is true we do not have quotas for minorities. This might come in the future. However by our PR system for our Senate we do have opportunity for minorities to gain election according to their support from the voters, and since our Senate does have real powers they have something to vote for.

  32. Salah said

    minorities?

    Bb, you minorities calculated on religious ground?

    Or your minorities calculated on ethnics ground?

    I believe in both cases this oppose the meaning of the basic democracy pillar, correct me if I am wrong?

  33. bb said

    No we don’t have quotas, nor do we discriminate on ethnic or sectarian basis.

    What I was saying is, the system of PR voting for our senate gives any individual or group the chance to win representation if they contest the election. Theoretically this means if our aboriginals so wanted to organise themselve into a political party they could.

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